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E99: How to Handle Stress and Convert It Into Calm with Dr. Robyn Tiger

• Kerry Reller

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Welcome to the Get Healthy Tampa Bay Podcast with Dr. Kerry Reller! This week, I’m joined by Dr. Robyn Tiger, a physician, lifestyle medicine expert, and stress relief specialist. In this episode, we explore how chronic stress impacts the body and mind, practical tools for handling and converting stress into calm, and how small lifestyle changes can lead to big transformations.

Robyn Tiger, MD, DipABLM is a double board-certified physician in Diagnostic Radiology and Lifestyle Medicine and a trauma informed mind-body expert. As founder of StressFreeMD, she uniquely combines her trainings in medicine, yoga therapy, meditation & life coaching to teach others a whole person approach to relieve stress while increasing both lifespan and healthspan. Her innovative
coaching, courses, presentations, retreats, podcast and book focus on creating effective behavior changes in the key topics of stress relief, nutrition, exercise, sleep, social connection and nature while cultivating physical, mental, and emotional well-being and resilience. 

Dr. Tiger is the author of Feeling Stressed is Optional. She serves as lead faculty and subject matter expert in stress management for the Foundations of Lifestyle Medicine Board Review Manual, hosts the StressFreeMD Podcast, and is a Western Carolina Medical Society Healthy Healer Partner. She is deeply passionate about successfully guiding others to become the best versions of themselves and live their healthiest, happiest, most fulfilling lives!

0:00 Introduction to Dr. Robyn Tiger and her journey
4:21 Discovering the impact of chronic stress
7:07 Exploring tools to manage stress effectively
10:14 The role of lifestyle medicine in reducing stress
16:05 Understanding behavior change for lasting transformation
18:41 Real-life success stories of stress relief
23:31 How stress affects the body and mind
28:27 Overcoming stress during Hurricane Helene
31:48 Acknowledging emotions and finding balance
32:38 Where to find Dr. Robyn Tiger’s resources

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Kerry:

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the Get Healthy Tampa Bay podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kerry Reller. And today we have Dr. Robin Tiger here from Asheville, North Carolina to discuss everything about stress, which is going to be very exciting and pertinent for us today. So welcome to the podcast, Dr. Tiger,

Robyn:

Thank you. So happy to be here.

Kerry:

thank you for coming and giving us your time. So I'm very curious to hear about kind of who you are and what you do and got you to where you are.

Robyn:

Yes. I am above all human that loves serving humans, just like we are in the medical field. I started out in medicine and diagnostic radiology and have my own I burnout story which I understand now in retrospect as to what was going on is I had developed lots of symptoms and illnesses that seemed really Disconnected many years ago when I was married with two little kids looking on the outside like everything was amazing, but I actually wasn't well and I had things like migraine headaches and my body hurt and I had reflux and tinnitus and vertigo and these intermittent paresthesias in my hands, which were really terrifying, thinking that was somehow neurologic, and I had lots of tests, lots of doctor's appointments, lots of medications I was taking, lots of imaging and labs, and everything came up negative. And I was already running races, exercising a lot, eating what I thought was pretty healthy diet, and I couldn't figure out, my western brain just couldn't unpack this, and neither could every single specialist that I went to. And, I kept hearing about things like yoga and meditation, and I would eye roll, and a lot of people listening may eye roll, and maybe you're doing an internal eye roll because I thought that was just kind of for those weird people down the hall at the gym who were behind that closed door doing strange things, twisting their bodies up and singing and wearing weird clothes and playing weird music and all this kind of stuff. But it was one thing I just hadn't tried yet and there was a Yoga 101 series that was happening down the road from my home and it was being taught by an anthropology professor from a local university and so my left brain kind of thought Thought she must be really credible and authentic and not some Molly Moonbeam weirdo. And so I signed up for this one on one series, really kind of having no expectations and feeling that it was going to be really a waste of my time. But I remember that day really clearly. I can't tell you how many cases I read that day, how many biopsies I did, came home, bathed my kids, fed my kids, hand them off to my husband, and went to this class beginning at 7. 30 at night with like one eye open. And at the end of the class, I felt calm. My body didn't hurt. I didn't have a headache, I felt clear and focused, and I was not even tired, even though I went in there really tired. And so that was the beginning of my understanding that what I was experiencing didn't need a medication, didn't need a procedure, didn't need any special therapy, but that it actually ended up just being a whopping case of chronic stress. And that was the beginning of my understanding about the impact of stress on our body, physically, emotionally, psychologically, and so on. And it was then that I decided I wanted to help other people with what I was experiencing, relieve their issues.

Kerry:

That's an amazing story. I think you're so right. Like people present with all these symptoms of things sometimes. And we're always trying to figure out where does it fit in, in our, you know, Western medical world. And you get passed off to all these different people, you know, we're pretty like siloed in medicine sometimes. And while yours might've been stress, like another person that could have been like menopause or lupus or, you know, many other different things. It's amazing that you finally were able to find something that is working. And then I was not eye rolling. I believe in this, but I do agree like some of these things, like some people think are woo or whatever or really not for them. Right. And while I highly recommend the yoga and meditation and journaling and mindfulness and grounding and all these things, you know, to my patients all the time, it's one thing to say all that is not going to do it all too. So like you finally were able to finally get some time for yourself. It sounds like, right. Cause you were working very hard at home and in work and, you know, doing, taking care of you is kind of what was probably being left out.

Robyn:

Yeah, and just not taking care of myself completely, like the whole person. So, I was exercising a ton, and I came to understand that exercise is really important for your stress. I know you talk about that and marathons and running and all of that, right? And then there's specific tools that you can utilize from the yoga discipline. So even the busiest of person, and that's what I've spent so much time doing over the past decade plus is really deconstructing, you know, you don't have time to go to an hour class. That's okay. You know, can we pull, and yes, you can individual tools that work very quickly to help you feel better. So really, Taking those tools from yoga and from meditation and then understanding the impact of the food that we eat and the sleep that we get or not and the connections that we make and our escapes that we may choose to use and so on. And how all of this is that whole package of really this bidirectionality between stress and all these things and enabling yourself to relieve your stress and even prevent your stress at certain times. And so it's really been this evolution of education for myself. And then as I learn, I educate others.

Kerry:

There's definitely a couple of things I wanted to unpack there. So one, obviously I want to see, what sort of tools, and I don't want to forget later to ask you like about stress prevention, right? We always hear about stress management, but not as much about the prevention piece. So I kind of want to go into that as well, but can you shed some light on the various tools that you're referring to?

Robyn:

Yes. So all the different topics that I just mentioned really fall under the pillars of lifestyle medicine. So for those of you that don't know what that is, it's a board specialty in medicine. So it actually a board certification. It's a real medical field that has understood that there are specific behaviors, we call them lifestyle choices or lifestyle changes that you can make to relieve stress. Symptoms, illnesses to sometimes reverse illnesses and diseases and even prevent illnesses. And so the categories are stress management, healthful nutrition, focusing on a whole food, plant forward, plant centric eating pattern, getting nourishing sleep, doing appropriate exercise, connecting with others, and avoiding escapes including risky substances. And so, when we really focus on all of these pieces, It's really the, the spokes on a wheel that make the wheel go all together that help us to relieve our stress and then pulling tools from each of those disciplines. For stress itself, I really see that as being the umbrella under which the other pillars live. So when you're feeling stressed, you're going to choose. What I posted about that today is we were just talking about you're going to want added sugar and saturated fats and lots of chemicals that you can't spell or pronounce, right? When you are stressed, you are probably not going to exercise properly, either not enough or too much, depending on which direction you go. When you're stressed, you're not sleeping well. When you're stressed, you are not connecting well with others. You're either isolating yourself or you're not the nicest person to be around. When you're stressed, you're more likely to over drink, over use recreational drugs, over shop, over scroll on social media, over I've had clients over garden, over needlepoint, over anything so that you're escaping. Right? and, Nature actually is the seventh unofficial pillar, and so not getting outside enough and not connecting with nature, so We have direct tools that we can utilize, which are the way that we breathe, moving our bodies, working with our mind, such as meditation. And then the indirect ways would be the things that I just mentioned are, you know, certain foods that you eat, your sleep, your exercise, your connection, and avoiding escapes and, and getting outside. And so lots of different ways we can focus on relieving and, as I mentioned, preventing stress. So that it doesn't cause all these symptoms and ultimately wreak havoc creating lots of illnesses and diseases, the most common in the world high blood pressure, diabetes type 2, heart disease, stroke, dementia, cancer progression and growth, and so on.

Kerry:

Yeah. So the, I like how you mentioned exercising because you said too much is a problem too, right? Perhaps. Yeah. And yeah, it

Robyn:

That was me.

Kerry:

were going, right? Yeah. Cause you mentioned you were still running and doing all the things, but not, I guess it was an excessive amount perhaps rather because you didn't have the other things in place too. So you mentioned also food and You said perhaps at the same time where you were feeling pretty stressed, you weren't eating the right things. Is that something that you also changed moving toward a plant based or plant forward lifestyle as well?

Robyn:

yeah. So I was pretty good about the a lot of the saturated fats and trans fats and even the added sugars. But I was eating processed foods. So some of what I was doing was a lateral move. I didn't realize that if I was eating vegan turkey. That was really unhealthy for me that if I was eating a lot of the vegan cheeses not all of them But some of them the vegan, you know certain meats Just because it's vegan doesn't mean it's healthy. It could be a lateral move in the sense that it could be full of chemicals, additives things that aren't healthy for you, sodium and so on. And so, what I came to understand as I studied lifestyle medicine more and dove more into nutrition is that, oh, some of what I'm doing, yeah, it's, It's protecting animals and it's protecting the planet, but it's not protecting me because it's really a lateral move. I'm still pouring stuff into my body that's unhealthful. And so that's when I transitioned more into a whole food dietary pattern where I was eating more foods in their whole form and not in the process form. And I just kept feeling better and better as I made these changes.

Kerry:

Yeah, absolutely. It's always blows my mind of all these different products that are vegan, that are full of a bunch of random things that makes it no better than eating the, you know, the animal product at all. So, I mean, I'm sure I also tried to get people off of ultra processed foods and those are definitely considered ultra process when they have all these names that you can't pronounce, right? So that's a I like how you also mentioned like a lateral move. I think that is kind of a good explanation of kind of what you were doing, but it's a good thing that you have found these principles so that you can teach them. So you currently well, tell us what you do currently, because you clearly have overcome this and are working with individuals and groups and do a lot of speaking. So tell us about what you currently do.

Robyn:

Yeah, so I really try to educate in as many different ways as people like to learn, because we're all learners in different ways. Some people are readers, some people are auditory learners, some people are visual learners, some people are tactile learners. So, like you mentioned, I do give a lot of talks, both virtually and in person. I have online digital programs for people who like self paced online content. I do group coaching and one on one coaching, both for my own private practice, as well as for other people's groups. I run retreats. I have one coming up in Africa in January. And I have a podcast called the stress free MD podcast, where I teach in short actionable bites. I call them stress free snacks. They're about 15 minutes or less. And most recently I have a new book that I just published called feeling stressed is optional.

Kerry:

Awesome. That is so much stuff. I don't know how you do it all. You must be very busy. So why don't, well, I would like you to tell us a little bit about like what's in your book.

Robyn:

Yeah, so it's a lifestyle medicine infused book focused on the stress pillar, and feeling stress is optional means that we can't prevent the stressors in our life from coming, whether that be situations in our life directly affecting us or in the world, or internally, those thoughts that we have. But what we can do is interrupt and regain control of the feelings and the emotions that come from those feelings of stress. And so, as I described earlier, really this book's on the wheel, all the pieces. So, the book goes through how stress is related to this bi directionality with the nutrition that you eat, stress as it relates to exercise, stress as it relates to sleep, as it relates to connection, as it relates to escapes, and so on. And each chapter's dedicated to one of those topics. And, Because I frequently hear, well, I'm told I need to stop stressing so much, and I need to sleep better, I need to eat better, and I need to move my body better, and all of these things, but I don't know how. So what this book is, and that makes it very different, is that it's an interactive multi modality book, which means that I've include QR codes throughout the book with short videos that you can practice tools along with me. And they're all about five minutes because of how busy you are. Right? And so there are videos to teach you how, and there are downloadable worksheets to help you as well. So if you're someone that likes to journal, if you're someone who's visual and tactile, if you're someone just likes to read the tools are written out. And so I've really tried to cover as many ways as I can. for people to learn based on how you like to learn best. And there's even a book chapter section chapter for book groups. So if you're someone who likes book groups already created the prompts for that as well.

Kerry:

Nice. So with, I guess you mentioned something about people making the change, like, how do they do it? How do you, or how do you help them? Like what insights and advice do you share that kind of help them overcome those barriers of making lasting changes?

Robyn:

So before I even get into any, of the content, whether you're working with me one on one or in a group or reading the book, is I teach effective behavior change. Because I have found that that really needs to be the foundation for anything that we're doing, whether it's related to anything that we just talked about or whether it's related to another goal that you're trying to achieve in your life. So really understanding behavior change and taking you through specific steps of behavior change and laying that out so that once you understand that foundation, then we can apply that to any goal that you're trying to achieve. So I think that is the very first important key piece of education that needs to be put in place, which I focus that way in the beginning of the book and as well as when I'm coaching.

Kerry:

Yeah, no, that's super important. I think it's this, you know, we recognize the states of behavior change and then where do you go from there right on how to actually implement it. But obviously the reason why is super important. So how do you help, I guess readers and everybody listening to you like imagine this life of calm and balance for someone who feels stuck in stress, what's the first step they can take.

Robyn:

The first step is, is wanting to make a difference in your life, And, you know, some people just say, Oh, there's a lot of guilt involved, particularly I know from the medical field, I feel guilty complaining. You know, I have this great job. I have a wonderful spouse. I have incredible kids. I have a beautiful home. I have nice cars. I have, I have, I have, right. All these things. And so there's a lot of people that are shutting themselves. I shouldn't feel guilty about. feeling stressed because this is what I signed up for. So I always invite people to wipe the should off, to just wipe it off and to recognize first that it's okay to acknowledge that you're not feeling okay. It doesn't matter how much you have or how much you don't have. It doesn't matter how much money you have or how much money you don't have. It's okay to recognize that you don't need to feel this way and you don't have to feel guilty about feeling this way. And then Being open to asking for help and wanting to learn how to make a change. The first step is just that.

Kerry:

you're right. I mean, it's one thing, you know, admitting the problem, like we would say with some other things as well. Yeah. Can you walk us through like a big transformation that you've had with one of your clients or patient or however you want to, I guess it's client for you.

Robyn:

Yeah. Right. It's yeah, I guess at this point in the, if it's coaching its client and yeah, wow, there's been so many amazing, amazing transformations over the last decade plus you know, I'd have to say that maybe even one of the most recent was a mom. Dr. Mom. Married to a doctor with young kids and her marriage was pretty much over. she and her husband were seeking to get a divorce. They were in the process. She couldn't stop screaming at him, screaming at her kids. She was overweight, hypertensive, pre diabetic and her kids were miserable and the family was just falling apart. She hated her job, she hated her life, she hated coming home, she thought that her family hated her, and she herself wasn't well. She was heading down that drain of, of all the chronic diseases that we mentioned earlier and potentially more. And so when we first started working together, we really, poked holes in what was going on and got down to what was most important, you know, physically, emotionally, psychologically, and, and really starting to implement. Behavior changes, behavior changes around her thought work, which comes from the life coaching component of what I do and educate on. But even before that, I call it bottom up, top down stress relief, understanding that you're able to much more effectively work with your thoughts when your body is in a calm place, and to really incorporating stress relief tools that she found helpful. So creating a toolbox for her that worked to help her feel more calm, teaching her thought work so she can start to work with her thoughts. And then from that place, incorporating an exercise routine, an efficient and effective sleep pattern, dietary changes that were not feeding her emotions that didn't serve her. Ensuring that she was getting connection with people that did serve her and releasing connections. I call them completing relationships with people who didn't and recognizing when she was escaping. And the positive of all of this was that, first of all, she said, my kids think I'm a cool mom. My kids think I'm a cool mom, that they're asking to spend time with me and hang out. She and her husband are no longer seeking a divorce, that their marriage has been repaired. She has lost weight. She's come off of her hypertensive meds. She's no longer pre diabetic. She's feeling amazing. She's loving her job again. And so it's just like all of these things just started falling into place. And so it's just such a beautiful, beautiful story. And it required no medications, no procedures, no outside therapy, it just required some behavior change and implementing that and knowing how. And so, know that if you're feeling this way, It doesn't have to be this way. And that sometimes you have symptoms and they are related to something truly in need of medical care. I'm a Western trained physician, as are you. Research shows that up to 90 percent of our symptoms are secondary to chronic stress. Up to 90 percent of what you're reporting to your primary care clinician about is related to chronic stress. And so there are ways that you can help yourself and medication is always there and procedures are always there and therapy is always there if you need them, but it's wonderful to be able to start with yourself first.

Kerry:

Yeah, absolutely. That was amazing story. This is an unfair question, but what do you think was like the top one or two things that she changed that was the biggest impact of her overall transformation?

Robyn:

It began with her being able to relieve her stress. And I really do believe that that is that umbrella under which everything else falls. And when you are dysregulated, when your nervous system is going haywire, when your stress response is way up there and you've got all of this stress hormones, the cortisol flying, the cytokines, which are the inflammatory markers in your body going, you feel terrible. You can't possibly think straight and you can't possibly be healthful and be fulfilled and feel joyful when all this havoc is happening. So that's why I love to focus first on the stress and anxiety piece. And when you get to a place where you do have a clear mind. Then we can start to work on everything else and it all just rolls into place after that.

Kerry:

Well, after your description of havoc and stress and all that, I can't help but think of what you've recently been through and in Asheville area. And I, I guess I wanted to kind of touch base on that. I know we were a little bit chatting before, but How did you get through this very, very stressful time in, you know, your life again with like all the hurricane mess and how have you been helping people in your community recently?

Robyn:

Yeah. So we did, we just had Hurricane Helene for those of you listening in, and I'm grateful that my home was okay. But it was, and continues to be very stressful. Stressful initially in that we knew the hurricane was coming. We did lose power and luckily we had a generator. Our home was the home where all the neighbors were coming to take hot showers and charge their phones and, and all the things because we did still have power. And we had that for a few days, although we had no internet and no cell signal. And we did not see what all of you were seeing. We could not tell what was going on. We had no access to what you were viewing and how bad it really was. And this lasted for Probably about three days until we lost water. And, at that point, my husband was incredibly anxious about it. And he, he was right. That we needed to leave and so we packed up our dog and we packed up things for we didn't know how long and once one road was open because all the roads had been closed, we evacuated and we evacuated for several weeks and moved around to different Airbnbs as they became available out of state so that we could have access to all the resources and that I also can continue to coach all of the healthcare professionals and clients that were still here in Nashville. And so what did I do? Well, I did all the things that we just talked about. I focused on resetting my nervous system all day long because my brain was going haywire with lots of thoughts, thoughts of things currently happening, all of the people that were at loss. My community, people that lost everything, my local friends, and family, and the community that I, that I didn't actually know but knew that they were hurting, and then all of the things to come, you know, all of the future thoughts, and so bombarded by thoughts, so focusing on decreasing my stress over and over again with my tools and my tools. Making sure that I wasn't, although I was craving all that sugar and all the saturated fats. Of course, I wanted french fries and cupcakes and you know, cookies and ice cream and all these things. I didn't eat those things because I understand that those things actually make me feel worse. They increase anxiety, increase stress, increase depression and so on. And so really being smart about the foods I was eating. Making sure that I was sleeping as much as possible despite all the moving around. Staying in contact with as many people as I could. Right? Making sure I moved my body. I found gyms every place I went to. I belonged to a Y. And so you can go to the Y for free anywhere if you have a Y membership. And I made sure. It was easy just to sleep in and be depressed, but I got up. I made sure to move my body as much as I could. Right. And so on. And so really practicing what I preach in a, in a way that I never anticipated I would need to in an evacuation situation, living out of a suitcase week after week until we finally could move home. And then what did I do to support others? Well, when I was evacuated, I had internet, so I continued to coach. I work. as a healthy healer for my local medical society. So I was continuing to coach the medical students, the residents, the doctors that were here working without water in the hospital, without resources, without IV fluids, having to ration IV fluids, you know, with porta potties. In the parking lot, big cases of bottled water in the parking lot, not being able to flush toilets, having to evacuate patients so they could have surgeries and their chemotherapy and so on. So I continue to support my community from afar by coaching remotely. And then when I came back, besides financial contributions, I, I teach at my studio at this non profit. I volunteer my time and teach trauma informed stress relief classes, incorporating yoga therapy, meditation, and life coaching to help people who are suffering from stress and what else is happening here? Lots of donations are coming in. My husband's been over at the Center at the sheriff's warehouse dividing up. We've got insulin over here and diapers over here and food over here and just making piles so they can be distributed to our local community. So anything that I can do to be of service I'm doing right now.

Kerry:

It was absolutely amazing. I think you're doing a great job. I really don't even know what to say. I just for all the things that you guys have been through, you know, we have Helene, obviously, and lots of people lost like everything as well. And then a couple weeks later, we're with Milton. So, you know, For me with my stress relief tactics, most of the, you know, exercise and journaling and things like eating healthy, I was fine for Helene. Then Milton comes along and I definitely shared some ice cream with my kids. I admit it. So but I did manage to pre download some exercises to do. I went for an extra walk and he's my neighbor's like, Why are you going for a walk? You can just pick up all the sticks. I'm like, I already did that. I just need to, I need a break. So, I mean, we all, you know, we're trying to get through it as well, but I mean, I think it's amazing that you were able to do all the things that you preach, like you practiced and, you know, it's very, very important for you to get through it, but also it's really nice that you've been able to help your community who has definitely been suffering. So, you know, I thank you and commend you for everything that you've been doing. That's amazing.

Robyn:

Well, thank you. And I think that there's this, this underlying theme of presence that I'd like to bring attention to, and it's really being present with the moment because our brain is constantly going to there, worried about this, that, and the other thing, and what's over there, and just constantly coming back into the moment. I'm okay. What's going right right now? I'm okay. I'm okay. My family is okay. We're okay. Everything is okay. You know, and constantly coming back to that moment and it just really helps to ground you when you say what's going right because our brain is constantly full of what's going wrong. So asking yourself all day long. I do it. What's going right right now? What's going right? And that's really, really helpful to bring, bring me to bring you back to that present moment so you can recognize you're okay in this moment. It's okay. And that's also really, really helpful.

Kerry:

Yes, that's really good advice. I'm doing it right now. What's going right? It's, it's so true though. Like, you know, there I, you know, I feel blessed that. Oh, yeah, we just lost power, you know, and some trees to clean up and we didn't lose our roof or anything like that. And we didn't get flooding. So, I mean, certainly I feel, you know, blessed and like everybody can what's going right. They're safe. They're alive. Things like that. So, and obviously other things in life can throw us a curve ball, but like you said, always focusing, maybe three, I usually say like complain for five minutes and then look for what's going right. Yeah.

Robyn:

Yeah, allow it. We need to allow the feelings. That's the other thing that's really important, Kerry, is to allow, right? We need to allow the feelings because if we don't, and we push them away, we cause what we call issues in the tissues. It actually makes us sick. So we need to just acknowledge, I'm feeling grief right now. You know, I'm feeling anger right now. I'm feeling frustrated. I'm feeling sad. I'm feeling whatever. You can acknowledge it. We want to acknowledge it and you can allow it and then take care of yourself as well. So we can hold space for both things. I'm allowing these emotions and I'm okay. And just really, really holding space for it all at one time.

Kerry:

recognizing it and labeling it as helpful as well. Right.

Robyn:

Yeah. So good. Yeah.

Kerry:

Well, is there anything else you'd like to share with our listeners today?

Robyn:

I guess I would just say that know that you are born with and have the innate ability to feel better whenever you want to. You just need to learn how, and if you don't know how, don't feel badly about it. It's not your fault. You just were never taught. We as healthcare professionals. It's a huge missing piece in our education from the time that we're in school all the way through our training and beyond. So don't feel bad about it. Please seek help and recognize that you're not alone.

Kerry:

Yeah. Where can people find you if they want to follow you, work with you? You want to share your sites. I mean, we'll put it on the show notes as well, but

Robyn:

Sure. Yeah. Well, my website is stressfreemd. net, stressfreemd. net. So you can hop on there. I do have a four free stress relief tools on there. So if you're thinking. The how part we talked about earlier. How do I even do that? You might want to get started. Each one's about five minutes long, have a calming breathing tool and neck and shoulder release. There's a guided meditation as well as the mindset reset. So if you're interested in getting started, you can have five or four rather five minute each short tools on the website. You'll find information for my podcast there, the retreats, the online programs and coaching. And you can listen to the Stress Free MD podcast and check out Feeling Stress is Optional, the book, if you're interested as well.

Kerry:

Thank you. We'll put all that in our show notes. I'm sure our listeners listeners will be thrilled to explore all of those things as well. And I just want to thank you for your time and expertise and sharing your story or 2 stories with us today. I really appreciate it. So thank you.

Robyn:

Thank you.

Kerry:

All right. And everybody tune in next week for next week's episode.

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